DOCTOR'S ARROGANCE AND THE SYSTEM

Unfortunately, due to a myriad of ailments, I find myself in and out of doctor's offices regularly. I've been noticing that, due to the structure of the OMA and the College of Physicians and Surgeons, very little can be done to complain and hope to effect a change. Whatever happened to a doctor's hypocratic oath? I realize times have changed HOWEVER, but must everything be 'about the almighty dollar'?
With our aging population, and the stresses one has had to endure in life, by the time patients arrive at a doctor's office, their ailments are generally legitimate and not a figment of their imagination. If these doctors are not interested in 'caring' for their patients, why don't they change careers? I understand there's a huge need for 'skilled labourers'!!!!

Between their ill regard for appointment times, the staff they hire who treat you as though they're doing you a huge favour speaking with you and granting you an appointment and then the doctor's laissez-faire demeanors, it's a wonder more of us aren't sicker than we are. But, as long as our doctor's can remain autonomous, know it, and know there is little a patient can do that will result in any form of explanation, they will continue to carry on this way. In certain geographic
areas that are more rural, this problem becomes even worse as these doctors know (especially those that are specialists) that there are few other doctors you can take your business to, that the wait times elsewhere will also be excessive yet they carry on with their "take it or leave it" behaviour. The patient winds up being frustrated, receiving poor medical care and treatment and developing hostilities towards the doctor and his/her staff.

How about a doctor who specializes in rheumatology, immunology, allergies and internal medicine having an office that is not wheelchair accessible and has his staff advise all patients, at the time of booking an appointment, that the wait will be approximately 4 hours? How about when you arrive at this doctor's office, there are signs in the reception area stating that aggressive behaviour due to lengthy wait times will not be tolerated? How about the fact that the majority of patients that come there are in chronic pain suffering from some disability
yet he provides THE most uncomfortable seating for these patients? How about all this? THE PROBLEM...he knows there's few other options the patient has! Oh yes, let's not overlook the issue of 'privacy' that seems to have become such an important one...yet not that important that receptionists will ask a patient all sorts of confidential information with a waiting room of other patients sitting right there listening to every word being said! There's privacy for you at its best.

Let's examine what happens if a patient is not happy with their family physician and wants to look for another. The patient has to FIRST sign a paper from OHIP saying they are no longer a patient of the first family doctor BEFORE they can go on to a waiting list to be seen or get another family doctor? This can take months....in the meantime, our health care system sees nothing wrong with allowing a patient to visit walk-in clinics until such time as a new family doctor becomes available. Progressive or third world? And, these doctors know this is how the system works
and relish in it.

What a wonderful world!

I am sorry you have to put up

I am sorry you have to put up with all of that.

I hope that is not the future of the US health care system.

I am sure there must be an incredible amount of stress on the few good doctors who work their behinds off trying to see as many patients as possible.

It seems there should be a better way of meeting the needs of all citizens rather than having the government and insurance companies involved in health care.

Are you referring to the

Are you referring to the Ontario (OHIP) Health Care Connect program?

The program is designed to help patients who have no family physician find one and serves that population segment (greatest need), thus the requirement that the patient first divest themselves of any family doctor they have prior to applying to the program.

The program is not mandatory, and there is nothing stopping a patient from locating a new physician prior to terminating an existing relationship with one.

BC has a similar program. It matches patients not having family doctors with physicians whose practices include a high number of patients having diagnoses similar to the applicant.

If these programs attempted to help patients find more suitable physicians, they'd be swamped, simply due to a much greater applicant population and to the subjective nature of the problem to be solved.

We need to work together to

We need to work together to build better systems.

I would say that identifying

I would say that identifying specific individuals, their behaviors and anything that is real into names, dates and times and publish them in places like here. If you've got real issues with evidence these people here @ratemds arent scared about the truth. Post it, get responses, copy it and send to the offending party. They will come after you, but if its the truth, send it in anyway.
DebiM

Is it possible to introduce a

Is it possible to introduce a reference rating system that if a doctor's rating or the complaints of a certain doctor reach(es) a certain level, they need to be suspended from the practice for a certain time?
I am fed up with my current doctor. I hope CPSO can terminate his practice. He is totally irresponsible. We can sit in the room for 1 minute and be driven out. No conversation. Just his order or command.

anonymous758 wrote: I would

anonymous758 wrote:

I would say that identifying specific individuals, their behaviors and anything that is real into names, dates and times and publish them in places like here. If you've got real issues with evidence these people here @ratemds arent scared about the truth. Post it, get responses, copy it and send to the offending party. They will come after you, but if its the truth, send it in anyway.
DebiM

But you need to be aware that even though it's the truth:

1. You can be sued for libel even if it is the truth.

2. If you have an ongoing lawsuit it might not be a good idea.

3. It might not be the best thing for you and your family.

Let your conscience be your guide.

peipii wrote: Is it possible

peipii wrote:

Is it possible to introduce a reference rating system that if a doctor's rating or the complaints of a certain doctor reach(es) a certain level, they need to be suspended from the practice for a certain time?
I am fed up with my current doctor. I hope CPSO can terminate his practice. He is totally irresponsible. We can sit in the room for 1 minute and be driven out. No conversation. Just his order or command.

From my understanding, if you complain to the CPSO even though they may not take any action because they believe your complaint is frivolous, they will put your complaint in a file, and when those complaints reach what they consider a large number, they will take those complaints seriously.

For example, Lloyd Graham complained of being abused, but the College completely dismissed his complaint.

A couple of months later the CPSO decided that because there had been such a large volume of complaints about the doctor's "communication style" (abuse), a course in Communications was needed.

If there is any possibility that you can get another doctor, you need to do that, in my opinion. You can not put your trust in a doctor. You need to put your trust in yourself and your Higher Power.

What you need to realize is that MONEY can be a doctor's higher power, and the CMPA is mandated to defend him, and they are a very powerful organization. The CMPA is more powerful than the CPSO. But I don't believe that they are more powerful than God.

You can wish on stars and you can complain to the CPSO, but these are not the most efficient and effective processes, and we need to find a better way, and I believe that way starts with God.

We all need to work together with God.

peipii wrote: Is it possible

peipii wrote:

Is it possible to introduce a reference rating system that if a doctor's rating or the complaints of a certain doctor reach(es) a certain level, they need to be suspended from the practice for a certain time?
I am fed up with my current doctor. I hope CPSO can terminate his practice. He is totally irresponsible. We can sit in the room for 1 minute and be driven out. No conversation. Just his order or command.

You would have to have a flawless rating system and patients would have to be willing to give their real names. Even then I couldn't see that happening.

The greatest benefit to patients in my opinion is to have a great many doctors to choose from and the instinct to know very quickly a doctor is not right for them by asking a lot of questions.

Although, some may argue competition may bring out the worst in doctors; I think overall it benefits the patients if they are wise and do their homework.

Money their higher power?

Money their higher power? What does insurance pay them 28-35$ a visit?
I'm sure $30 won't drive them to mis treat!
I mean really! How much time do you want?
I personally wouldn't expect a doctor to treat every one of my problems in one visit...
That's like saying you should work overtime for no pay.
I'm just not seeing the get rich quick scheme in becoming a doctor...
That's quite an amount of schooling, money, time to lie for an extra 30 bucks.
Quite an investment to be greedy for money...
You couldn't pay me enough to lance a boil...
Very glamorous

Even sites that use real

Even sites that use real names like Angie's list have false reviews.
People love to rant I'm seeing

I realize I am a little late

I realize I am a little late but you're are right about the legal attack one faces if you follow my lead; it will happen and they'll come after you. I will say this, 'felonies happen and its a scary thing for a physician to sue a pt. or family member for libel when in fact the complaint involves atrocious behaviors'. They my sue you on paper but showing up and testifying is another matter entirely.

Doctors aren't treating you

Doctors aren't treating you badly because they want to. They are breaking their oaths because they are "forced to." Tell me, if you had the choice between keeping your oath and keeping your job, which one would you pick?

It's no coincidence that the chairs in your doctor's office are uncomfortable, that they are not made for fat people, that hospital rooms for the most chronically ill are as far from the hospital doors as possible, that bus access to some hospitals is difficult, that privacy in hospitals is highly disregarded and in fact often seemingly deliberate exposure takes place, and so on. It's no coincidence that most people can't even visit their families in hospitals because of the high costs of parking charges which are often as high as $3.50 an hour or part. These things are all being done to drive you out of the public medical system and to purposely drive doctors out of business overall.

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