I'm falling apart

Hi Rocky; I'm sorry that you're not doing well.

I will pray for you, and I hope that everyone reading this will too.

I hope that you are feeling better in the morning.

Oh Rocky
things must seem so dark for you to say this

Remember, the sun shines after every storm
but in the meantime - when it gets tough
PM your friends here for support

I have a shoulder not being used right now.

hugs

I'm so sorry Rocky,hang in there sweet lady! I'm saying & sending lots of prayers for you. Lots of love & too!

Thinking about you this morning Rocky, and hoping that you are feeling better today.

What things? Is it work related or personal?

Personal.

I was hoping that your health was much better when I saw that you were going to continue with your education; or is not your health? You can tell me to mind my own business if you want.

I'll still pray for you, and never forget that God listens to sinners.

I don't know what it is, really, Wishie. If I could put my finger on it, then I could address it in therapy, but I don't know.

I'll pray again tonight - BUT - there's a condition on it tonight.

I need a prayer from you tonight.

I'm probably just worried for nothing again, but I can't stop worrying.

I like Ratemds cuz it takes my mind off of my problems.

No problem.

Thanks Rocky.

I feel so much better tonight Rocky and I hope that you will feel better soon too.

I fell apart years ago. Then I discovered something amazing . Don't try to put yourself back together and then you never have to worry about falling apart anymore

I concur.

And the ladies that I saw yesterday know that's a fact.

http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/public/programs/breastcancer/?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=CPC&utm_term=ontario+breast+screening+program&utm_content=Brand+Pure&utm_campaign=Brand

I'll see them again in two years.

I don't think I have ever fallen apart. When I get sad I just snap myself out of it by thinking of things which make me happy. I will even plan a pretend vacation. Traveling ALWAYS makes me happy. It is the planning and the anticipation which makes me happy. Usually the actual vacation is exhausting. I used to get depressed when I would get home from a trip, but then I realized I could just start planning the next one.

Jasmine doesn't get PMS, does she?

Jasmine doesn't go for mammograms, does she???

This "old dog" couldn't relax.

But, I can now.

Well, unless the radiologist decided to report the result of the mammogram without actually looking at it.

That couldn't possibly happen, could it???

STOP IT! That did not happen. Now be happy about the results. That is an order.

No, Jasmine does not get PMS, but vacuum cleaners and windshield wipers create a great deal of anxiety for her.

My appointment was at 10:20 a.m. I was there by 10:15.

I was shown the mammogram from Feb 17th and there was a large white spot. The technician said that it was a small spot. It wasn't a small spot to my eye.

So what if the radiologist reported the result of my mammogram at 10:00 a.m. - BEFORE I had the second mammogram done???

If the radiologist reported my mammogram at 10:00 a.m., yesterday's squeeze could have been completely unnecessary pain and distress for me.

But, of course, that didn't happen. It's just my wild imagination.

I'm not called a "nut" for nothing.

I need to tell you about my grand-doggies.

Lucy has been carsick since at least last summer. It started one month after my daughter got her. Prior to that, we went on a 6 hour drive to Ottawa, and she was fine.

My son needed a new car, and my daughter was thinking about getting a new one, so I brought her out to look at Corolla's, and with the help of a good salesman, (whose son is a doctor, but married unfortunately), my daughter bought a new car. She took her Lucy out for a ride, and Lucy sniffed at the new car, then got in and unbelievably - she didn't start panting and drooling and throw up. Lucy was fine.

My son got her car, and took his dog, Tyson, out for a ride. Tyson got out of the car, ran in the backyard and vomitted.

Frances (that's her car's name), failed the safety inspection; very badly.

I drove it up to the junkyard (with the windows wide open) and this old dog felt sick. But my husband said it's all in my head.

I thought poor Lucy's problems were just psychodogological. They weren't.

As for Jasmine, I think that she's probably trying to follow the wipers with her eyes, and that's making her sick.

And, as for vaccuum cleaners - they are scary; I stay away from them too.

So - my daughter has probably been exposed to hazardous fumes, and she's feeling guilty about poisoning her dog. But, I'm worried about my daughter.

I guess the only thing that can be done now is to make sure that she eats a healthy diet, exercises and takes care of herself, and I think she does look after herself very well.

And of couse, I can let people know that if your dog gets carsick, it could be that there is something wrong with the car.

Should have taken Tyson for a ride in it last year. Woulda Coulda Shoulda.

Live and Learn.

Anyways, I'm rewarding myself with steak tonight for undergoing my squeeze yesterday.

(And, regardless of what the nut in me thinks, I know that breast screening saves lives, and I'll be back in two years' time.)

Adios Amigos.

Okay smarty pants. If you are that worried why don't you just call and ask.

I can schedule an appointment with the radiologist, and he will go over the report with me. I almost did that with my MRI, but since I was in so much pain, I trusted the report.

As for Jazzy Poo, she doesn't get car sick and she won't even look at the windshield wipers. If it's raining she won't get in the car. After I drag her in the car she will run to the back seat and face the back window. We have a windshield wiper on the back window too.

I did have a dog who got car sick. After a drive across the country she got over it.

I think it is wise to check for fumes though.

Rocky-I think the problem is that you are talking about Clinical Depression. This is not the kind of "depression" / tiredness / feeling overwhelmed / feeling down or blue that you can deal with by talking with friends, doing something special, getting away...I think that everything can be just great and you can still feel horrible. That's one of the frustrating parts-that lack of control over how you are feeling. All you can do is weather the storm. Take your meds, do your supportive stuff-counselling, etc, try to get in some activity, nourish your body, try to have as "normal" a schedule as you can...I know-easier said than done. Not trying to downplay your suffering! Just trying to get through moment by moment. I wish you well and hope that things turn around sooner than later.

Alkat,
You are exactly right. I've been diagnosed for about six years. Thank you for understanding.

Ask what?

I'm not that nuts.

Rocky, I know that you suffer from very serious clinical depression, and I'm sorry I hijacked your thread.

It's just that I feel helpless to help you, and I don't like feeling helpless.

Dogs are great company, and can help ease depression, and allow your little girl to help as much as possible.

I have to get to bed now. Tyson is waiting. I hope that he doesn't mind my snoring. I hate it when he cries. Or maybe that was Frank.

I'll say another prayer for you. Yours really worked well for me.

Just the sleep clinic next week, and I'm sure that I'll be fine there.

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Rockygirl & Wisher,Each night you will remain in my Actually,everyone here & everyone that's not.

Thanks Msdoodle.

The way that I got in to the breast screening clinic right away, and the way I got my sister to come with me and the way that I got the all clear without even needing an ultrasound all felt like a miracle to me, and really helped to relieve my anxiety.

Too much stress can lead to depression for me (when it's uncontrollable, coming from every direction), and anything that I can do to alleviate stress, I do.

That's the reason why I post, and definitely the reason why I pray.

That was very nice and well said, Alkat. I suffer depression also. This is not my usual mindset. This began when we lost our law suite in 2010. Ugh. It was summer, and I could see out the window, my neighbors out working in their yards. I longed to do that, but just couldn't get off the bed.

This makes sense to me. I try it. It does help.

Guru Purnima

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I want to apologize if I came across as insensitive to Rocky's depression. It was ignorant of me to suggest she could think happy thoughts and her depression would go away.

I am pretty much a goof ball and rarely like to be serious.
Some people make jokes to hide their problems.
That may come across as insensitive when I am really trying to make people happy.

Jasmine apologizes too. You would think a border collie would be smarter than that.

I am babysitting Tyson and he is here beside me and sends his love to Jasmine. Now, he wants to see a picture of Joy.

Rocky; are you feeling any better?

You're joking!

hope not butting in but you have my prayers also.

Thinking of you Rocky. The sun is shining here. I re-joined WW and have been "good" for a few days now, and I'm back at the gym, and I even thought a positive thought about the loss of vision in my eye. Believe it or not.

Life can be good when you are not depressed. Spring is coming. Better times are coming.

Talk therapy is good.

May I suggest you message Gg and AE? It works for me.

This came in my in-box today, and it was comforting to me; I hope that others find it comforting too.

The 7 Gifts from the Universe That Everybody Gets
Leigh Newman shares the moments of glory we all get—no matter what, no matter who.
By Leigh Newman
Original Content | January 25, 2012

Courtesy of Yale Center for British Art

Life is not always kind. We don't always get what we want. We don't even get what our parents want for us, which would at least make them happy. Sometimes everything goes south at once: The longed-for love doesn't show up or goes away; the dream job is given to an inexperienced, two-faced brownnoser; the dog dies; the sink clogs; the snap of your jeans pops open when you bend down to pick up the hefty stack of bills on the mat and you're left standing there, thinking, "The best part of my run was back when I was 25. From here on out, I just have to slog through."

Which is exactly when you must remember a little secret that I am about to share with you. All of us—even the darkest and unluckiest of us—get seven particular moments, those brief, unexpected times when the stars do more than align; they communally redirect their light expressly to illuminate the value of our wee, earthly existence.

These moments sometimes go unnoticed and are almost always unexpected. They are not subject to the vicissitudes of your success or failure. They are not something you can blame yourself for not experiencing sooner or flog yourself into experiencing now. They are on their own time schedule. They have happened to you or will happen to you sooner or later. The key is not letting them slip by uncelebrated.

1. You (senselessly) win.

You toss your business card into a bowl at a Chinese restaurant and win six free egg rolls every month for one entire year. Or you pick up the phone and hear a stranger asking you the names of all four Beatles, which you know and which you recite to him, prompting him to scream out to his radio audience that you are the proud new owner of a KitchenAid dishwasher.

This feeling is not the same as winning at a craps table or a Lotto drawing. This is about a windfall without effort, a windfall that you're not even sure you want—say, a deluxe all-expenses-paid trip to Hackensack, New Jersey—but that fills you with great, swelling joy at getting something undreamed of for free, something only you get to get.

2. You're seen.

It happens without fanfare. Someone somewhere looks across the room and sees past the face your family gave you. They also see past the face that you put on over that face, the one composed of TV gestures (a hint: you were not born doing any kind of hair flipping) and mysterious magazine-made smiles and the smooth, dull, blank look that overtakes our eyes when we decide we will not cry, not in front of other people.

This someone sees you, down to your intelligence, your fear of being alone, your ability to whistle on pitch. It might be the teacher who asks if you would do her the honor of passing out the graham crackers today at recess. It might be the grocery-store manager who spots your bag breaking at the exit—your eggs and yogurt splashing all over the door, your whole horrible, failing marriage spattered all over your frozen expression—and runs up and down the aisles, filling a new bag with unbroken items, plus tosses in a bouquet of flowers just to cheer you up. It might even be the friend who thinks the way you snort-laugh is charming. There is somebody out there who gets it—it being you.

3. You get the opportunity to learn about something bigger than yourself.

I know what this one sounds like: You get to go through something horrible and wrenching, and then we'll pretend there is some kind of silver lining. But that's not what I mean. I'm talking about the awakening of grace, the time in life when you first begin to accrue the kind of wisdom that will allow you to feel for a friend when she has lost a father or gotten separated, not because you have lost a father or gotten separated but because you have lost someone or something and the experience opened a door of genuine understanding. You are now able to hold hands with another person and connect with them at the very time they feel most alone.
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Read more: http://www.oprah.com/spirit/Best-Moments-in-Life-7-Golden-Moments-in-Life#ixzz1ldH5QI1Z

Rocky

I know this may seem like just another solution
but years ago I was in a depression I couldn't shake

I read and read about nutrition by Adele Davis
who said B deficiency can cause depression
I started taking B50 tablets [means 50 of every B]
Before long I started to notice my energy level went up
and no longer plummeted into depression in every little [or big]
crisis

It's important to take a B50 in the a.m. with food and
just see if after a week you notice a difference

Wish I could offer more to help but am not qualified
except for my own experience

I hope you are checking in here to see how many of us
really do care
[[[hugs]]]

I have Complex B with C Vitamins. 300 mg.

Imalert's post reminded me that they are good for stress (but fat soluble, so only take 1 a day, or as directed by a health professional).

I believe that the way that you respond to stressful situations can affect your mood.

Overwhelming stress can lead to depression.

My vitamins expired in 2009.

B Vitamins are are also found in food. Trust me, I've been getting enough from my food.

I wonder if they still turn my pee yellow if that means that they are still good?

I don't know if the thought of exercise would be at all helpful for severe depression; probably not easy to do.

However, I do believe that for mild to moderate depression, exercise can be extremely helpful. (And so much better than pills, in my opinion.)

Yesterday I walked the dog, (a good brisk walk; he's very strong), and then I went to the gym. Perhaps it was not only that, but a beautiful sunny day, with hope for a nice spring and summer.

It's so difficult to have hope when you are depressed. It's so difficult to climb out of the depression.

I'm praying for you Rocky.

OBESITY+

Herring MP, Puetz TW, O`Connor PJ, et al. Effect of Exercise Training on Depressive Symptoms Among Patients With a Chronic Illness: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials. Arch Intern Med. 2012 Jan 23;172(2):101-11. (Review) Read Abstract (PubMedID = 22271118)

BACKGROUND: Physical inactivity and comorbid depressive symptoms are prevalent among patients with a chronic illness. To our knowledge, randomized controlled trials of the effects of exercise training on depressive symptoms among patients with a chronic illness have not been systematically reviewed. We estimated the population effect of exercise training on depressive symptoms and determined whether the effect varied according to patient characteristics and modifiable features of exercise exposure and clinical settings.

METHODS: Articles published before June 1, 2011, were located using the Physical Activity Guidelines for Americans Scientific Database, Google Scholar, MEDLINE, PsycINFO, PubMed, and Web of Science. Ninety articles involving 10 534 sedentary patients with a chronic illness were selected. Included articles required (1) randomized allocation to an exercise intervention or nonexercise comparison condition and (2) a depression outcome assessed at baseline and at mid- and/or postintervention. Hedges d effect sizes were computed, study quality was evaluated, and random effects models were used to estimate sampling error and population variance of the observed effects.

RESULTS: Exercise training significantly reduced depressive symptoms by a heterogeneous mean effect size delta (Delta) of 0.30 (95% CI, 0.25-0.36). Larger antidepressant effects were obtained when (1) baseline depressive symptoms were higher, (2) patients met recommended physical activity levels, and (3) the trial primary outcome, predominantly function related, was significantly improved among patients having baseline depressive symptoms indicative of mild-to-moderate depression.

CONCLUSIONS: Exercise reduces depressive symptoms among patients with a chronic illness. Patients with depressive symptoms indicative of mild-to-moderate depression and for whom exercise training improves function-related outcomes achieve the largest antidepressant effects.

Are you there RG?

I have been away for a few days, but still have you in my prayers, and hope that you are feeling better.

Hi Rocky

I have a shortcut for defeating depression . See if you can find a book called
The Future of the Body , it's gauranteed to give anyone some enlightenment.

http://www.amazon.com/Future-Body-Explorations-Further-Evolution/dp/0874777305

That's one heck of a lot of pages! That's no shortcut. Rocky - here's the formula for when you are feeling a little bit better
and have a little more energy.

Get to the gym; get on the elliptical, and listen to some good old country music.

Cry if you need to. Do 10 minutes with a 3 minutes cool down.

Then, do 15 to 20 minutes of weight lifting.

Then get back on the elliptical; and be inspired by the country music. Get your heart rate up close to it's max for these 10 minutes and then cool down for 3 minutes.

(I really gotta get back to the doctor and check that last piece out; you should too.)

If not feeling better by then, do 10 minutes of abs and then get back on the elliptical for another 10 minutes and 3 minutes of cooldown.

Then don't forget to finish with some stretching.

And buy popchips and salsa on the way home.

How about a reeeeeaaaaaallly fast shortcut!

Do you really think it was prudent to cross out the popchips and salsa?

Laughter, like exercise, is good medicine.

Wish
We need about 1000 to 1500 C each day for it to
help our bones and energy and aid healing of
wounds - taking 500mg 3xday is fine

B complex isn't the same as B50 because
it's only the RDA percentage

B50 means 50 mg of each B - much stronger
and they are "water soluble" not fat soluble

and yes they can turn your pee yellow
even if they expired
LOL

Thanks for clearing that up Imalert.

I became depressed at one time and spent 2 years in bed because of it. 
I guess the only reason why I recovered is because of my stubborn will
to resolve my inner problems . What worked was lot's of reading and research
into the  10 million unanswered questions  that I had about life , death and 
everything  inbetween. I guess I don't have any problem admitting that anymore
 because it's so far in my past now.
 







Oh and pulling gags on people is an absolute must to stay healthy.

I became depressed at one time and spent 2 years in bed because of it. 
I guess the only reason why I recovered is because of my stubborn will
to resolve my inner problems . What worked was lot's of reading and research
into the  10 million unanswered questions  that I had about life , death and 
everything  inbetween. I guess I don't have any problem admitting that anymore
 because it's so far in my past now.
 







Oh and pulling gags on people is an absolute must to stay healthy.

LOL - Do you know that I just called my husband and reported this problem with my computer to him???

I'd call him back and tell him, but I don't think he'd see the humor in it.

But I do.

He said. "Send it." And there I was trying to send it, and the loud TV was getting on my nerves as I tried to send it and it wouldn't send. Frank said, "Just close it!" and I did.

Frank is not going to be amused.

I was though.

I'm a Marshmallow, eh Rocky?

Depression is hell.

http://sports.sympatico.ca/home/thesaturdayticket/opinions/michael_landsbergs_journey_to_depressions_hell/7df64a9d

Rocky, are you there?

Come in Rocky Girl!!!

I'm around, Heartthrob. Don't worry. Just taking a bit of a break.

I really hope you're feeling better, RG.

RG

Thinking of you today
Hoping the sun shine of friendships will cheer you up

I once read that depression is unexpressed/repressed anger
at something that seems unresolvable.

Sometimes when I am down because of a brick wall
of no solution.... I remember that slogan
"I'm mad as hexx and ain't gonna take it anymore"

If I can't resolve what it is...for some reason,
I exert energy by scrubbing the floor and I calm down

Some months we could eat off my floor

Things are getting worse. Please keep up the prayers and the support!
Thanks, Rocky

Rocky; spring is coming. It's just around the corner, and I will continue to pray for you.

How ya doing sweet Rocky? I'm still prayin & a hoping you are getting out of your depression,or are out of it. That depression stuff is a real *itch! You stay strong & fight it off! Okay. Huge hugs sweetness!