PTSD from surgery/hospitalization

Did you know that it is possible for surgery and hospitalization to trigger Post Traumatic Stress Disorder or several symptoms of it during the year following surgery?
The condition is underdiagnosed because many surgeons do not recognize the symptoms and fail to refer patients for psychiatric evaluation. While people are familiar with PTSD in soldiers and others who suffer exposure to trauma, it is possible for patients who have life threatening diagnoses and surgery, or are traumatized during their extended post-surgical hospital stays to develop PTSD.
I have noticed that several people who post here have suffered severe traumatic experiences with doctors or hospitals and was wondering if anyone has considered that they are suffering from PTSD. There are a number of self-tests online to help you consider whether or not you could be suffering from PTSD. It can also be triggered by lengthy legal proceedings, a double whammy for some patients who are subject to the trauma of a court case in addition to trauma resulting from surgical mistakes, or even a bad experience at the hands of nursing staff when in such a vulnerable position.
Would anyone care to share if they or someone they know was doiagnosed with PTSD post-surgery? What were the circumstances? What were the symptoms? How is it treated?

Lengthy legal proceedings

Lengthy legal proceedings can do a number on you for sure. Sad

Combined with the ignorance and arrogance of not only a doctor, but the College, and then HPARB, it's pretty difficult to move on, and people just don't understand that, and they will never understand that.

It's not PTSD; unless of course the P stands for Present. Sad

PTSD is a psychiatric

PTSD is a psychiatric condition that needs to be diagnosed and treated.Even if people understood, it would not go away or feel better. It would still be POST traumatic if one is continuing to experience triggers following the initial event that triggered it in the first place.
I think when someone is in a vulnerable life and death position and is forced to place themselves completely in the hands of another, and that trust was broken but the person continues to need to submit because of the life or death condition, it is a terrifying ordeal. Complete loss of control. So the mind shuts down and triggers symptoms. Some symptoms are needing to tell the story over and over, nightmares, loss of emotional feelings, loss of interest in living,irritability, avoiding other people, panic attacks, etc.
Really, if someone has the signs, they should seek a diagnosis from a qualified psychiatrist and be treated. I was shocked to learn this could happen to surgical patients, even when their surgery is not the result of trauma, but is life-threatening.

This happened to me to a

This happened to me to a degree after two near death surgical experiences but I did not recognize it initally.

Panic attacks, insatiable anger at the medical profession and fear of living (knowing future medical encounters would be unavoidable) consummed me.

I'm unsure of what the impetus was for awakening my mind but whatever it was I'm grateful it occured. I realized I had to get a grip and be grateful that I wasn't left disabled (true miracles!).

For those who are left disabled though, it's a monstrous switch to finding a "new normal", accepting what occured and learning his/her life will never be same.

Sasse

wishandaprayer

wishandaprayer wrote:

Lengthy legal proceedings can do a number on you for sure. Sad

Combined with the ignorance and arrogance of not only a doctor, but the College, and then HPARB, it's pretty difficult to move on, and people just don't understand that, and they will never understand that.

It's not PTSD; unless of course the P stands for Present. Sad

Wow Wisher;
only took you till the first post to hijack this time...very efficient.
Now, imagine turning that efficiency into something productive....like a job. Might get your mind off things , no?

HCM posted on a pretty important topic...
There's been lots chronicled on PTSD from patients not properly sedated, conscious but not responsive during procedures...Is this what you're referring to hcm?

harleyman-6

harleyman-6 wrote:
wishandaprayer wrote:

Lengthy legal proceedings can do a number on you for sure. Sad

Combined with the ignorance and arrogance of not only a doctor, but the College, and then HPARB, it's pretty difficult to move on, and people just don't understand that, and they will never understand that.

It's not PTSD; unless of course the P stands for Present. Sad

Wow Wisher;
only took you till the first post to hijack this time...very efficient.
Now, imagine turning that efficiency into something productive....like a job. Might get your mind off things , no?

Is it necessary and helpful for you to constantly attack Wisher's posts?

It's obvious that her posts are bothersome to you so why not just skip them? We KNOW your opinion of her posts, but you continue to find it necessary to reinforce it each and every time.

A case of the cat calling the kettle black?

Strawberry Jam wrote: Is it

Strawberry Jam wrote:

Is it necessary and helpful for you to constantly attack Wisher's posts?

It's obvious that her posts are bothersome to you so why not just skip them? We KNOW your opinion of her posts, but you continue to find it necessary to reinforce it each and every time.

A case of the cat calling the kettle black?

"Attack"?....Like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Eye-wink

I guess the simple reply to your comment, is that if MY posts are so bothersome to you, just skip over them.....

Here I was, looking foward to a new forum, on a relevant topic...Only to once again to have my interest submarined by yet another "attack" on common decency and respect.

harleyman-6

harleyman-6 wrote:

"Attack"?....Like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Eye-wink

When was that?

heartthrob

heartthrob wrote:
harleyman-6 wrote:

"Attack"?....Like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Eye-wink

When was that?

Animal house...movie quote.......
" was it over when the German's bombed Peral Harbor?......
"German's"?
"Don't stop him, he's on a roll"
"Nothing is over till we say it is"!!!

harleyman-6

harleyman-6 wrote:
heartthrob wrote:
harleyman-6 wrote:

"Attack"?....Like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Eye-wink

When was that?

Animal house...movie quote.......
" was it over when the German's bombed Peral Harbor?......
"German's"?
"Don't stop him, he's on a roll"
"Nothing is over till we say it is"!!!

Oh, sorry, I thought you just posted on the wrong thread, and you meant to be on

Ta Edukation thred
Ignorance
Brains, does a body good

heartthrob wrote: Oh, sorry,

heartthrob wrote:

Oh, sorry, I thought you just posted on the wrong thread, and you meant to be on

Ta Edukation thred
Ignorance
Brains, does a body good

Smiling
That was very creative Heartthrob....

How's that whole thing working out for you?

harleyman-6

harleyman-6 wrote:
heartthrob wrote:

Oh, sorry, I thought you just posted on the wrong thread, and you meant to be on

Ta Edukation thred
Ignorance
Brains, does a body good

Smiling
That was very creative Heartthrob....

How's that whole thing working out for you?

Which whole thing?

heartthrob

heartthrob wrote:
harleyman-6 wrote:
heartthrob wrote:

Oh, sorry, I thought you just posted on the wrong thread, and you meant to be on

Ta Edukation thred
Ignorance
Brains, does a body good

Smiling
That was very creative Heartthrob....

How's that whole thing working out for you?

Which whole thing?

Being creative?

harleyman-6

harleyman-6 wrote:
heartthrob wrote:
harleyman-6 wrote:
heartthrob wrote:

Oh, sorry, I thought you just posted on the wrong thread, and you meant to be on

Ta Edukation thred
Ignorance
Brains, does a body good

Smiling
That was very creative Heartthrob....

How's that whole thing working out for you?

Which whole thing?

Being creative?

I'm not really very creative.... Shocked

heartthrob

heartthrob wrote:
harleyman-6 wrote:
heartthrob wrote:
harleyman-6 wrote:
heartthrob wrote:

Oh, sorry, I thought you just posted on the wrong thread, and you meant to be on

Ta Edukation thred
Ignorance
Brains, does a body good

Smiling
That was very creative Heartthrob....

How's that whole thing working out for you?

Which whole thing?

Being creative?

I'm not really very creative.... Shocked

Apparently you don't know your movie quotes either... Smiling
That last one was from Fight Club......you walked right into it.

harleyman-6

harleyman-6 wrote:
heartthrob wrote:
harleyman-6 wrote:
heartthrob wrote:
harleyman-6 wrote:
heartthrob wrote:

Oh, sorry, I thought you just posted on the wrong thread, and you meant to be on

Ta Edukation thred
Ignorance
Brains, does a body good

Smiling
That was very creative Heartthrob....

How's that whole thing working out for you?

Which whole thing?

Being creative?

I'm not really very creative.... Shocked

Apparently you don't know your movie quotes either... Smiling
That last one was from Fight Club......you walked right into it.

Right........I've never even heard of 'Fight Club'

heartthrob

heartthrob wrote:

Right........I've never even heard of 'Fight Club'

Brad Pitt....good movie.

HCM Mare wrote: PTSD from

HCM Mare wrote:

PTSD from surgery/hospitalization

Submitted by hcm mare on Fri, 11/20/2009 - 23:32.
Did you know that it is possible for surgery and hospitalization to trigger Post Traumatic Stress Disorder or several symptoms of it during the year following surgery?
The condition is underdiagnosed because many surgeons do not recognize the symptoms and fail to refer patients for psychiatric evaluation. While people are familiar with PTSD in soldiers and others who suffer exposure to trauma, it is possible for patients who have life threatening diagnoses and surgery, or are traumatized during their extended post-surgical hospital stays to develop PTSD.
I have noticed that several people who post here have suffered severe traumatic experiences with doctors or hospitals and was wondering if anyone has considered that they are suffering from PTSD. There are a number of self-tests online to help you consider whether or not you could be suffering from PTSD. It can also be triggered by lengthy legal proceedings, a double whammy for some patients who are subject to the trauma of a court case in addition to trauma resulting from surgical mistakes, or even a bad experience at the hands of nursing staff when in such a vulnerable position.
Would anyone care to share if they or someone they know was doiagnosed with PTSD post-surgery? What were the circumstances? What were the symptoms? How is it treated?

Well, I was diagnosed with PTSD following my hospitalization at Hopkins. Most of you know about it, but for those who don't, I was in a coma and on a ventilator for 2 1/2 weeks after open heart surgery for mitral valve replacement. Some time during that period, I had a stroke. Recovery was very difficult with PT and OT. There were times when I was badly hallucinating.

Anyway, I had lots of trouble in the first couple of years. I can remember pacing the floors in my house and not even realizing that I was doing that while having a sense of doom. Thinking back, I was like Henny Penny. Somehow I was certain that something was going to happen imminently. I didn't know what, just that I had a horrible fear and a feeling of doom. Sometimes I would become more rational and find myself just facing a wall.

Sometimes I felt exactly like I swallowed a bowling ball. What was really silly about it was that the bowling ball didn't block off my breathing or my eating, and still felt exactly like a bowling ball!! That might last 30 or 45 minutes and then go away. I was told that was 'hysterical globus'.

Another one was dreaming that my throat was closing up. I dreamed that my lips, throat and lower face were growing by the minute.....growing closed, and just when everything closed completely off, I would wake up.

I saw a psychiatrist who said PTSD and wanted to put me on an antipsychotic drug. He gave me a script, and I don't remember what it was. Remember that I did have frontal lobe damage from the stroke. I would not remember from one day to the next. Anyway, I looked it up, and it was mainly used to treat schizophrenia (it seems like I remember that) although I can't remember what the drug was. I thought I knew that I was not that and would not take it. I think he may have also prescribed some anti-anxiety drug also, like Ativan or Xanax, which I probably would have used, but I really can't remember that.

I took nothing and have gotten past most of those symptoms. It has been 7 years now. I never have the panic symptoms. I never have hysterical globus. I do still, on rare occasions have that same dream. I do still have a feeling that I am agoraphobic and reclusive.

I did not go back to the psychiatrist who wanted to put me on anti psychotic drugs. I didn't like him anyway. I did see a therapist a few times. I didn't continue with that for two reasons. Insurance didn't cover it and because I did not feel it was all that beneficial to me.

Sorry for derailing.

Sorry for derailing.

harleyman-6

harleyman-6 wrote:
Strawberry Jam wrote:

Is it necessary and helpful for you to constantly attack Wisher's posts?

It's obvious that her posts are bothersome to you so why not just skip them? We KNOW your opinion of her posts, but you continue to find it necessary to reinforce it each and every time.

A case of the cat calling the kettle black?

"Attack"?....Like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Eye-wink

I guess the simple reply to your comment, is that if MY posts are so bothersome to you, just skip over them.....

Here I was, looking foward to a new forum, on a relevant topic...Only to once again to have my interest submarined by yet another "attack" on common decency and respect.

If somebody rains on your parade then find another parade.

I have been reading comments

I have been reading comments on this site for months, but never felt the need to post any comments myself until now. While I have not been officially diagonsed with PTSD, I believe I have all the symptoms. I had an extremely traumatic experience with conscious sedation given to me over a year ago for a routine procedure, and I have never been the same since. To this day I have actual panic attacks when unwanted memories of my procedure pop into my head...and it happens at least once a day. Whenever I try to explain my feelings to someone, they don't understand. My normally kind, patient doctor of 25+ years (not the doctor who performed the procedure) actually YELLED at that he "had enough", and I was "taking up too much of (his) time" when I went into an uncontrollable rant about what happened to me. I made an appointment for counseling, but then cancelled it a couple of days later - my trust in doctors has been so severly damaged that I can't bring myself to even trust a therapist.

LavJade wrote: I have been

LavJade wrote:

I have been reading comments on this site for months, but never felt the need to post any comments myself until now. While I have not been officially diagonsed with PTSD, I believe I have all the symptoms. I had an extremely traumatic experience with conscious sedation given to me over a year ago for a routine procedure, and I have never been the same since. To this day I have actual panic attacks when unwanted memories of my procedure pop into my head...and it happens at least once a day. Whenever I try to explain my feelings to someone, they don't understand. My normally kind, patient doctor of 25+ years (not the doctor who performed the procedure) actually YELLED at that he "had enough", and I was "taking up too much of (his) time" when I went into an uncontrollable rant about what happened to me. I made an appointment for counseling, but then cancelled it a couple of days later - my trust in doctors has been so severly damaged that I can't bring myself to even trust a therapist.

have you had therapy/medication intervention for your anxiety?

Is there/was there anything that ameliorated some of the symptoms?

No, I am afraid to see a

No, I am afraid to see a therapist. If he/she doesn't "get it", I will actually be worse off than now. I thought that writing a letter to the doctor who performed the procedure make me feel better, but he never responded. I also called the doctors office about a month later (when I was near-suicidal), and although I was told a nurse would call me back, no one ever did. If they thought I was going to make trouble for them or try to sue, I had no such intentions. I feel the only way I can get closure is if they either apologize for what happened, or explain why they did what they did. The deep depression is now gone, but the anxiety has never gone away, and I doubt it ever will.

LavJade wrote: No, I am

LavJade wrote:

No, I am afraid to see a therapist. If he/she doesn't "get it", I will actually be worse off than now. I thought that writing a letter to the doctor who performed the procedure make me feel better, but he never responded. I also called the doctors office about a month later (when I was near-suicidal), and although I was told a nurse would call me back, no one ever did. If they thought I was going to make trouble for them or try to sue, I had no such intentions. I feel the only way I can get closure is if they either apologize for what happened, or explain why they did what they did. The deep depression is now gone, but the anxiety has never gone away, and I doubt it ever will.

When did the doctor that performed the procedure become aware, that you were aware?...

Did you call more than once and not get a response?. They may not apologize if they don't feel they did anything wrong...So waiting for that may not be to your benefit. The longer you wait for intervention, the worse/deep seeded your feeling will become.

I think a therapist will be able to help you. you're goning to have to be a "glass half-full person of optimism, rather than a pessimistic half-empty regarding the benefit that a therapist can provide. That's their job. If the first one can't help, move on to another.

Strawberry Jam wrote: A

Strawberry Jam wrote:

A case of the cat calling the kettle black?

The cat? Laughing out loud

seraphina wrote: Strawberry

seraphina wrote:
Strawberry Jam wrote:

A case of the cat calling the kettle black?

The cat? Laughing out loud

Yes, in my blonde world it's the cat! LOL

What did you expect...."the pot?" LOL

harleyman-6

harleyman-6 wrote:
wishandaprayer wrote:

Lengthy legal proceedings can ...

...HCM posted on a pretty important topic...
There's been lots chronicled on PTSD from patients not properly sedated, conscious but not responsive during procedures...Is this what you're referring to hcm?

Those are probably more obvious and likely to be recognized. But I am referring to what some patients have been posting here.
Feelings of anxiety, rage or fear toward the med profession, fearing loss of control, becoming reclusive, impatient with others, needing to talk about the experience over and over, or not being able to talk about it at all - notable changes in personality, like detachment, reticence, irritability. Seek a diagnosis by a psychiatrist who is more qualified to treat than a therapist. Once a person has the diagnosis and med regimen that helpa, they would probably benefit by seeing a psychotherapist who can teach coping skills with ideation. I don't know a lot about psych meds, but do know it is trial and error and based specifically on how the patient reacts.
Maybe in time and with half-measures, PTSD will get better, but usually competent theraapists and psychiatrists can speed up the healing process.

LavJade wrote: I have been

LavJade wrote:

I have been reading comments on this site for months, but never felt the need to post any comments myself until now. While I have not been officially diagonsed with PTSD, I believe I have all the symptoms. I had an extremely traumatic experience with conscious sedation given to me over a year ago for a routine procedure, and I have never been the same since. To this day I have actual panic attacks when unwanted memories of my procedure pop into my head...and it happens at least once a day. Whenever I try to explain my feelings to someone, they don't understand. My normally kind, patient doctor of 25+ years (not the doctor who performed the procedure) actually YELLED at that he "had enough", and I was "taking up too much of (his) time" when I went into an uncontrollable rant about what happened to me. I made an appointment for counseling, but then cancelled it a couple of days later - my trust in doctors has been so severly damaged that I can't bring myself to even trust a therapist.

I respectfully disaagree with Harley about the therapist (you need a psychiatrist who can prescribe medication to help rebalance the chemistry in your brain) and "glass half full" approach. (If you could just cheer up, you would.) You have been suffering from something you cannot change on your own. I don't know if you have PTSD, but please be checked by a psychiatrist, and get a new PCP. Your doctor did a real disservice to tell you to get over it - s/he should have recognized the signs of PTSD.Shame on him/her. Unfortunately, that's not uncommon - PTSD post-surgery is underdiagnosed.
It must be horrible for you and you must feel so alone and hopeless.
Are there any teaching hospitals near you where you could get an appointment with a department head with a good reputation? May be a good place to start.

heartthrob

heartthrob wrote:
harleyman-6 wrote:
heartthrob wrote:
harleyman-6 wrote:
heartthrob wrote:
harleyman-6 wrote:
heartthrob wrote:

Oh, sorry, I thought you just posted on the wrong thread, and you meant to be on

Ta Edukation thred
Ignorance
Brains, does a body good

Smiling
That was very creative Heartthrob....

How's that whole thing working out for you?

Which whole thing?

Being creative?

I'm not really very creative.... Shocked

Apparently you don't know your movie quotes either... Smiling
That last one was from Fight Club......you walked right into it.

Right........I've never even heard of 'Fight Club'

Okay guys,
This show is over. There are people who receive emails each time something is posted to this thread and are actually interested in the topic that is posted. If you want to trade barbs, start another thread. I received a dozen emails regarding posts for THIS?

hcm mare wrote: LavJade

hcm mare wrote:
LavJade wrote:

I have been reading comments on this site for months, but never felt the need to post any comments myself until now. While I have not been officially diagonsed with PTSD, I believe I have all the symptoms. I had an extremely traumatic experience with conscious sedation given to me over a year ago for a routine procedure, and I have never been the same since. To this day I have actual panic attacks when unwanted memories of my procedure pop into my head...and it happens at least once a day. Whenever I try to explain my feelings to someone, they don't understand. My normally kind, patient doctor of 25+ years (not the doctor who performed the procedure) actually YELLED at that he "had enough", and I was "taking up too much of (his) time" when I went into an uncontrollable rant about what happened to me. I made an appointment for counseling, but then cancelled it a couple of days later - my trust in doctors has been so severly damaged that I can't bring myself to even trust a therapist.

I respectfully disaagree with Harley about the therapist (you need a psychiatrist who can prescribe medication to help rebalance the chemistry in your brain) and "glass half full" approach. (If you could just cheer up, you would.) You have been suffering from something you cannot change on your own. I don't know if you have PTSD, but please be checked by a psychiatrist, and get a new PCP. Your doctor did a real disservice to tell you to get over it - s/he should have recognized the signs of PTSD.Shame on him/her. Unfortunately, that's not uncommon - PTSD post-surgery is underdiagnosed.
It must be horrible for you and you must feel so alone and hopeless.
Are there any teaching hospitals near you where you could get an appointment with a department head with a good reputation? May be a good place to start.

Lav Jade, I feel for you!
Yelled at you................ taking to much of his time!?
Wildly inappropriate..........That is what he was being paid for.
I hope that you will get what you need to get well!

I'm with you, trust in doctors... trust is earned, the next one is really going to have to make an effort, and I will be straight up from the get go.
I have no time, money or patience for any B.S, Do not play with me.

hcm mare wrote: I

hcm mare wrote:

I respectfully disaagree with Harley about the therapist (you need a psychiatrist who can prescribe medication to help rebalance the chemistry in your brain)

I sort of thought this was a given?..I'm my area, We don't refer to Psychologists directly...We refer to Psychiatry who then redirect in conjunction with medication intervention..

hcm mare wrote:

and "glass half full" approach. (If you could just cheer up, you would.) You have been suffering from something you cannot change on your own.

That's not what I implied. What I implied was that the patient needed to try to be more optimistic regarding the benefit of a therapist. If you've pessimistic headed into it, then the mindset may end up working against you.

hcm mare wrote:

I don't know if you have PTSD,.....

PTSD is exactly what she has.

Hi Mare: I don't know if

Hi Mare: I don't know if anyone chooses the option of being notified by email for every post. I surely don't. Too much banter goes on. I think I banter far less than most. I just check in once in a while to see what's happening. I don't get anything by email notification.

I was sort of proud that Harley and I had a few civil words!!

heartthrob wrote: I was sort

heartthrob wrote:

I was sort of proud that Harley and I had a few civil words!!

Damn it....I slipped up....I won't let it happen again.... Eye-wink

harleyman-6 wrote: hcm mare

harleyman-6 wrote:
hcm mare wrote:

I respectfully disaagree with Harley about the therapist (you need a psychiatrist who can prescribe medication to help rebalance the chemistry in your brain)

I sort of thought this was a given?..I'm my area, We don't refer to Psychologists directly...We refer to Psychiatry who then redirect in conjunction with medication intervention..

hcm mare wrote:

and "glass half full" approach. (If you could just cheer up, you would.) You have been suffering from something you cannot change on your own.

That's not what I implied. What I implied was that the patient needed to try to be more optimistic regarding the benefit of a therapist. If you've pessimistic headed into it, then the mindset may end up working against you.

hcm mare wrote:

I don't know if you have PTSD,.....

PTSD is exactly what she has.

Thanks for clarifying that Harley. It probably IS a given that referals are tp psychiatrist first, but that is not commonly known outside of the medical profession.

Although most medical

Although most medical professionals will deny this vehemently, many patients develop PTSD after being given Versed/midazolam - ESPECIALLY when the effects of the drug are (deliberately?) not explained in advance. I am not trying to cause trouble, just want to know why there is such secrecy surrounding this drug ? It is almost never explained to the unsuspecting patient (even those who have requested to be awake for a procedure) other than to say, "Here's something to relax you..."
I would love an honest answer.

To clarify, it is the

To clarify, it is the "amnesia" effect that is not explained.

harleyman-6

harleyman-6 wrote:
wishandaprayer wrote:

Lengthy legal proceedings can do a number on you for sure. Sad

Combined with the ignorance and arrogance of not only a doctor, but the College, and then HPARB, it's pretty difficult to move on, and people just don't understand that, and they will never understand that.

It's not PTSD; unless of course the P stands for Present. Sad

Wow Wisher;
only took you till the first post to hijack this time...very efficient.
Now, imagine turning that efficiency into something productive....like a job. Might get your mind off things , no?

HCM posted on a pretty important topic...
There's been lots chronicled on PTSD from patients not properly sedated, conscious but not responsive during procedures...Is this what you're referring to hcm?

Yup, and you're helping her do it.

LavJade wrote: Although most

LavJade wrote:

Although most medical professionals will deny this vehemently, many patients develop PTSD after being given Versed/midazolam - ESPECIALLY when the effects of the drug are (deliberately?) not explained in advance. I am not trying to cause trouble, just want to know why there is such secrecy surrounding this drug ? It is almost never explained to the unsuspecting patient (even those who have requested to be awake for a procedure) other than to say, "Here's something to relax you..."
I would love an honest answer.

Versed/midazolam is a predatory practitioner's best friend.

Also, the human psyche is most vulnerable while under anesthesia, something you are not supposed to ever know.

Not sure if you're serious

Not sure if you're serious or just trying to mess with my head...
I don't think most doctors who use Versed are "predatory" - I just don't like the thought that they think it doesn't matter how much pain we patients are in during a procedure as long as we have no conscious memory of it. Doesn't our BODY remember abuse/pain even if we can't recall it ? And why did it feel to me that a 12-minute procedure actually took HOURS ? (Most people report the opposite- a "long" procedure feels like it took only a few minutes) Something really bad must have happened to me for me to feel so traumatized afterward. No other explanation.

LavJade wrote: Not sure if

LavJade wrote:

Not sure if you're serious or just trying to mess with my head...
I don't think most doctors who use Versed are "predatory" - I just don't like the thought that they think it doesn't matter how much pain we patients are in during a procedure as long as we have no conscious memory of it. Doesn't our BODY remember abuse/pain even if we can't recall it ? And why did it feel to me that a 12-minute procedure actually took HOURS ? (Most people report the opposite- a "long" procedure feels like it took only a few minutes) Something really bad must have happened to me for me to feel so traumatized afterward. No other explanation.

I am serious. I was drugged and assaulted by a male health care professional in a treatment room during business hours.

The thing is, there was no justification for any anesthesia - I was basically ambushed with a needle - and I'm not meant to remember that needle - but I do. (Drugs are not infallible?)

It has been a long and agonizing process to understand 'something' of what happened to me. Rape of one's brain? And...?

This predator has other victims also, I've discovered,... so how many other predators are out there? These drugs usually work.

Astrea, I am so sorry about

Astrea, I am so sorry about what happened to you. My negative experience with Versed cannot even begin to compare with yours.

LavJade wrote: Although most

LavJade wrote:

Although most medical professionals will deny this vehemently, many patients develop PTSD after being given Versed/midazolam - ESPECIALLY when the effects of the drug are (deliberately?) not explained in advance. I am not trying to cause trouble, just want to know why there is such secrecy surrounding this drug ? It is almost never explained to the unsuspecting patient (even those who have requested to be awake for a procedure) other than to say, "Here's something to relax you..."
I would love an honest answer.

Versed was an absolute God-send for me before my last surgery. I tend to be extremely anxious of anaesthsia (PONV specifically. Severe emetophobe, weird, I know) and tend to feel really horrible,dizzy and sick during induction. A few minutes after receiving the Versed, I was completely calm, sleepy and relaxed and induction was a breeze. I had no memory loss before induction of anaesthsia nor after waking up from surgery, in fact my memory is crystal clear. I will most certainly be requesting Versed for all surgeries I will have in the future.

I worked for a time in

I worked for a time in Invasive Radiology, where we did angiograms and discograms, etc. Versed was always utilized for disco's. I always told patients that it was being used, and that they would likely wake up and be amazed that it was over and likely not remember anything, which is the way it always happened. I can't remember anyone ever complaining.

But I can certainly see the drug's potential for abuse, as in astraea's case (I am so, so sorry, Astraea). Also, I have never heard of anyone developing PTSD from it. That is very interesting. They should have chosen a different drug if you asked to be awake for your procedure, Lav Jade.

Could hypnotism be used for

Could hypnotism be used for recall of events like this to fill in some blanks and help the patient?

I was trying to see about

I was trying to see about something HUGE to me and you douchebags ruined it.

A lot of these posters are

A lot of these posters are not around anymore and those that are, post rarely. If this topic is important to you, start a new thread with your story and see what happens.

You may want to clean up your language though.

krnknfill wrote: I was trying

krnknfill wrote:

I was trying to see about something HUGE to me and you douchebags ruined it.

Douchebags?

People?

They look nothing alike nor was it appropriate for you to refer to posters as such.

PTSD is horrible and can even occur as a result of an accident or trauma.

I am blown away what you say

Jawdropping! I am blown away what you say here....I had ptsd from a HORRIBLE TERRIFYING experience at Mercy General Hospital in Sacramento. I kid you NOT!...there are staff members on the surgery floor that mistreated me to the point of torture, and I was horribly traumatized by these people, told my husband (he did not believe me) told my surgeon (he did not believe me either), and it was such a terrorizing experience I'm finding it difficult to write about it at this time. In fact...I will have to sign off for now...I will come back again and try again when I have contained myself... :tired Sad

"the Germans bombed pearl

"the Germans bombed pearl harbor"?? Will SOMEBODY PleaaaasE! educate this person..? Who in the WORLD does not know, that the JAPANESE, bombed pearl harbor? I came here to read about peoples experiences with PTSD after hospitalization and/or surgical procedures, not to skim through endless quarrels about fictional bombings and personal attacks.. I mean, come on..

McFrosk wrote: "the Germans

McFrosk wrote:

"the Germans bombed pearl harbor"?? Will SOMEBODY PleaaaasE! educate this person..? Who in the WORLD does not know, that the JAPANESE, bombed pearl harbor? I came here to read about peoples experiences with PTSD after hospitalization and/or surgical procedures, not to skim through endless quarrels about fictional bombings and personal attacks.. I mean, come on..

If you had kept on READING (as opposed to SKIMMING) you would have seen where Harley said that he was quoting Animal House.

I believe it. I was

I believe it. I was terminally ill with cancer and had a liver transplant. I swear I have PTSD and searching for a proper diagnosis.

Talking about it may help.

Talking about it may help.

wishandaprayer wrote: Talking

wishandaprayer wrote:

Talking about it may help.

That is only part of the healing journey. I've shared my story many times such as talking to an audience of a 100 nursing students at a junior college.

professional patient

professional patient wrote:
wishandaprayer wrote:

Talking about it may help.

That is only part of the healing journey. I've shared my story many times such as talking to an audience of a 100 nursing students at a junior college.

Hopefully something is learned from you sharing your experiences.

Dan's Back

Dan's Back wrote:
professional patient wrote:
wishandaprayer wrote:

Talking about it may help.

That is only part of the healing journey. I've shared my story many times such as talking to an audience of a 100 nursing students at a junior college.

Hopefully something is learned from you sharing your experiences.

You are always a pleasure to converse with. Yes, the feedback was exceptional and I think everyone got something out of it.

professional patient

professional patient wrote:
Dan's Back wrote:
professional patient wrote:
wishandaprayer wrote:

Talking about it may help.

That is only part of the healing journey. I've shared my story many times such as talking to an audience of a 100 nursing students at a junior college.

Hopefully something is learned from you sharing your experiences.

You are always a pleasure to converse with. Yes, the feedback was exceptional and I think everyone got something out of it.

That is good news!

Hey.My name is annie. I have

Hey.My name is annie. I have an illness called chronic pancreatitis with episodes of acute. it's caused by a mutated cystic fibrosis gene. (i don't have cf but carry the normally dorment gene)and i also have pancreatic divisum. aside from stomach aches once in awhile i had no real symptoms untill i was 17. By the time it surfaced the illness claimed my gall bladder and created many painfull nerves and others. this pain is constant. i went in for surgery in 2006 and i was placed under a anestetic sedation. half way through the procedure of an ercp i awoke with a tube in my throat. i was terrafied. slowly my nightmares began. then they started putting me all the way under general anestesia which worked untill 2010 when once again i woke up. this time it was just the scope tube in my throat. a machine was in there helping me breathe. i thought it was the nightmare again and so i pulled it out and had to get a new sedative along with intabation. i've gone to phychiaric specialists but they all want to focus on my illness more than my terror. I continue to get sedatives before general now for it to help me calm down but when i go to sleep or even if i'm wake now i still feel that terror. in may 31st of this yeari had what is called a steroid block and was expecting general again until i was in the back waiting to talk to the surgeon before getting put out and i heard the nurse say i was only getting a sedative. i started freaking out and then feel asleep. when i woke in recovery i was still crying in my sleep. my mom could tell how scared i was.both of us are not only upset but scared. to this day i search for a psychiatrist to help but none have done what i need. i know my illness. i handle that. my mind however, not something i can control.

I have a lot to say/ask about

I have a lot to say/ask about how others dealt with both repeat surgeries and new problems that come up. Real quick (and I will come back if anyone is interested). I had both posterior and anterior cervical fusions. After the posterior cervical fusion I acquired osteomyelitis. Now I must go back to the same doctor for my 5th operation (if you consider debridements operations). During the year I have been healing from the osteomyelitis I find out I need the "Whipple procedure for a branch IPMN. The surgeon that is planning on doing my "Whipple" asked me if I think the neck surgeon is planning on me pulling through the next neck surgery. I had PTSD going into all of this. If the forum is active it would be most beneficial to me to kind of "sound off". Thanks to all

Probably most of us have felt

Probably most of us have felt we suffered from PTSD after surgery, even if not diagnosed. Surgery is generally ultra depressing, ultra painful, often very disfiguring, and very often leaves people in worse condition than if no surgery had been done to start with. Surgery is a scary profession and many surgeons and their staff do indeed have bad attitudes because even patients who eventually recover often feel angry for life, for what they had to go through and the damage to their bodies. Surgeons are people just like you so also make just as many mistakes as you (and maybe even more because half are overworked, dead tired, and ready to collapse). This is why it's so hard for courts to rule against them. Patients often expect that once they wake up on the operating table, they will be converted from nearly dead horses to young spring chickens without pain. Two out of three cases or so may actually leave patients worse off, but patients want the operations and expect unreasonable miracles anyway. Soon there may be no surgeons left and no one will therefore suffer from PTSD. Do you think people will be better off then? For most who have been through surgery of any sort, it's not an easy question to answer. I've had 3 operations myself and all were severely botched -- but I did choose to go to a surgeon versus a god. It was my own choice.

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