Doctor seems to be Using patiens to supply her own drug use or supply.

I'm not sure what to do about this, I just know it's wrong. I went to see a new Doctor Dr. S. Hutchison at the North Country Community Health Center in Saint Johns Arizona 85936. The phone number is 928-337-3705. This Dr. Hutchison was to prescribed me Medications for a condition I have but when I received the medications, One of the prescribed medications was not correct, the correct prescription was for Clonasapam I received Valium. I can not take Valium!I called Dr S.Hutchison and was told by her that she wrote the wrong prescription, she told me to bring the Valium to her along with 15 of the 30 hydrocodone to her because she said she was only suppose to write the prescription for 15 hydrocodone. I brought her the Clonasapam along with 15 hydrocodone, all that my insurance company and I paid for and was given my Clonasapam prescription. 30 days later I go in for an appointment to see Dr. S Hutchinson and to make sure she would call in the correct prescriptions and amount this time, She told me she had already taken care of it. I had my wife pick up the prescriptions and again these were not the correct medications. I once again called Dr. S. Hutchinson and once again she asked me to bring her half the Hydrocodone and the bottle of clonazapam and she would release the correct prescription. I then asked Dr, Hutchinson what is being done with this medication, She told me that was none of my concern. I then said “what about he money I and my insurance is paying for your mistakes” at which time she replied “Either you want your correct prescriptions or not?” I then hung up the phone, I did not take her the prescription.. 1 week later I received a letter from Dr. S Hutchinson saying she would not longer be able to be my Doctor.

This whole thing seems strange and it makes me wonder how many people she is doing this with and what she is doing with all the medications...

greggarcial wrote: Doctor

greggarcial wrote:

Doctor seems to be Using patiens to supply her own drug use or supply.
Submitted by greggarcia1 on Wed, 12/03/2008 - 15:15.

I'm not sure what to do about this, I just know it's wrong. I went to see a new Doctor Dr. S. Hutchison at the North Country Community Health Center in Saint Johns Arizona 85936. The phone number is 928-337-3705. This Dr. Hutchison was to prescribed me Medications for a condition I have but when I received the medications, One of the prescribed medications was not correct, the correct prescription was for Clonasapam I received Valium. I can not take Valium!I called Dr S.Hutchison and was told by her that she wrote the wrong prescription, she told me to bring the Valium to her along with 15 of the 30 hydrocodone to her because she said she was only suppose to write the prescription for 15 hydrocodone. I brought her the Clonasapam along with 15 hydrocodone, all that my insurance company and I paid for and was given my Clonasapam prescription. 30 days later I go in for an appointment to see Dr. S Hutchinson and to make sure she would call in the correct prescriptions and amount this time, She told me she had already taken care of it. I had my wife pick up the prescriptions and again these were not the correct medications. I once again called Dr. S. Hutchinson and once again she asked me to bring her half the Hydrocodone and the bottle of clonazapam and she would release the correct prescription. I then asked Dr, Hutchinson what is being done with this medication, She told me that was none of my concern. I then said “what about he money I and my insurance is paying for your mistakes” at which time she replied “Either you want your correct prescriptions or not?” I then hung up the phone, I did not take her the prescription.. 1 week later I received a letter from Dr. S Hutchinson saying she would not longer be able to be my Doctor.

This whole thing seems strange and it makes me wonder how many people she is doing this with and what she is doing with all the medications...

What muscle relaxant are you returning? The Valium (diazepam) or the Klonipin (clonazepam)? Upon your asking her about the disposition of your meds, she should have simply quoted some program for dispensing of unused meds. It *is* your business; the meds, to the extent they were legally prescribed, are *your* property to use as prescribed.

I would get another physician to take over my pain management and *not* mention this to them. Regardless of your innocence, this could be made to come back and bite you.

This may all be innocent on

This may all be innocent on the doctor's part. On the other hand it may be part of something more sinister.

Your state's physician regulatory body may be interested in this, especially if this doctor has previous similar complaints against her.

Although I cannot verify or

Although I cannot verify or assess whether or not the physician was obtaining your incorrect meds for personal use, I can offer the following advice:

1) Check the AZ Medical Board website for any board actions against this practitioner at www.azmd.gov.
2) When an incorrect dosage or medication is filled, the pharmacy cannot take back the medication. However, the dispensing physician should be notified and the correct prescription should be called into the pharmacy. The pharmacy can verify w/the physician that the incorrect dosage or med was filled and may reverse the original claim for the incorrect med dispensed and then re-bill the claim with the correct medication (since it was not your error). That would take care of you having to pay twice for the prescription. I agree with you not to return any medication to the physician, it should always be discarded and the practitioner should have provided you with an honest answer as to what would be done with the incorrect/returned medication.
3) The physician you are discussing is not a doctor, but a physicians assistant (PA). If you did not receive satisfactory response from her, your next step would be to contact her supervisor (Dr. Bloomquist) and discuss the situation.
4) If you still are not satisfied, you have the right to file a complaint with the AZ Medical Board (www.azmd.gov) who investigates all claims.
5) This situation proves to be dangerous for all concerned due to the fact that the PA continued to make mistakes on prescribing your medications and you the patient could have not only the wrong medication but also too much.
6) If you continue to use this provider/health center, I recommend that you obtain a new doctor and ensure that it is one that you can trust and treats you with respect.
I hope this helps.

Wouldn't a physician

Wouldn't a physician assistant require the authorization of the supervising physician to "fire" a patient?

Twain wrote: This may all

Twain wrote:

This may all be innocent on the doctor's part. On the other hand it may be part of something more sinister.

Your state's physician regulatory body may be interested in this, especially if this doctor has previous similar complaints against her.

I've read Greg's post about ten times. I agree, Twain, that it could very well be a mistake.

The PA's method of correction seems somewhat odd to me, particularly when dealing with these drugs. Should she have asked the patient to return the drugs to the pharmacy for disposable with verification, thus "protecting" both of them? I think it would have been a lot smarter.

Greg could also be a patient with an ulterior motive, but somehow, I don't think so. I also feel that this needs to be investigated.

Hi Greggarcia,welcome to the

Hi Greggarcia,welcome to the forum. I wish you the very best with your answers here,and also wish you the very best. Puzzled)

Mairen wrote: Twain

Mairen wrote:
Twain wrote:

This may all be innocent on the doctor's part. On the other hand it may be part of something more sinister.

Your state's physician regulatory body may be interested in this, especially if this doctor has previous similar complaints against her.

I've read Greg's post about ten times. I agree, Twain, that it could very well be a mistake.

The PA's method of correction seems somewhat odd to me, particularly when dealing with these drugs. Should she have asked the patient to return the drugs to the pharmacy for disposable with verification, thus "protecting" both of them? I think it would have been a lot smarter.

Greg could also be a patient with an ulterior motive, but somehow, I don't think so. I also feel that this needs to be investigated.

Smells pretty fishy to me.

Hi, Greg. What happened to

Hi, Greg.

What happened to you sounds very strange to me, too. It would be different if it was a "one time" occurrence. But for you to specifically mention it at your next visit and be reassured that there will be no further problems only to find out the same thing happened again . . . to me something doesn't sound right. As well, if you were only to receive 15 hydrocodone and were prescribed 30; why did she want the 15 from you?? Aren't you responsible enough as an adult to hold and/or dispose of the other 15 pills? If the doctor made a mistake, I wonder why she just didn't phoned the pharmacy and tell them to correct the mistake, without having you go into her office??

On another note, I was just wondering, when you went to pick up your prescription, doesn't the pharmacist make sure that you are receiving the right one? I know that anytime I have had to get a prescription filled, when I go to pick it up, they open the pill bottle, and show me what it contains, while at the same time they tell me the name of the drug that I am getting and how to use it. I am sure that they do this to eliminate problems such as what you just described.

I think if the doctor is

I think if the doctor is ASKING for the meds to return to her...something is up...I have had patients return meds they have reacted to or could not tolerate but NEVER ASKED them to bring back meds to me...especially narcotics...my guess would be someone is abusing the medication....Does she seem moody....frequent NO SHOW to her clinic...Are her pupils ever small and she looks pale and tired????

bones wrote: I think if

bones wrote:

I think if the doctor is ASKING for the meds to return to her...something is up...I have had patients return meds they have reacted to or could not tolerate but NEVER ASKED them to bring back meds to me...especially narcotics...my guess would be someone is abusing the medication....Does she seem moody....frequent NO SHOW to her clinic...Are her pupils ever small and she looks pale and tired????

OR

Is she making extra money on the side?

What reason were you given

What reason were you given for being released as this doctor's patient?

abusedemotionally

abusedemotionally wrote:

It would be different if it was a "one time" occurrence.

I was just wondering, when you went to pick up your prescription, doesn't the pharmacist make sure that you are receiving the right one? I know that anytime I have had to get a prescription filled, when I go to pick it up, they open the pill bottle, and show me what it contains, while at the same time they tell me the name of the drug that I am getting and how to use it.

Good points, AE. There is the possibility that Greg's wife may have picked up "both" prescriptions because as you stated, the pharmacists double-check. I sincerely hope that this is not simply retaliation for his dismissal.

MicOnTheNorthShore

MicOnTheNorthShore wrote:
greggarcial wrote:

Doctor seems to be Using patiens to supply her own drug use or supply.
Submitted by greggarcia1 on Wed, 12/03/2008 - 15:15.

I'm not sure what to do about this, I just know it's wrong. I went to see a new Doctor Dr. S. Hutchison at the North Country Community Health Center in Saint Johns Arizona 85936. The phone number is 928-337-3705. This Dr. Hutchison was to prescribed me Medications for a condition I have but when I received the medications, One of the prescribed medications was not correct, the correct prescription was for Clonasapam I received Valium. I can not take Valium!I called Dr S.Hutchison and was told by her that she wrote the wrong prescription, she told me to bring the Valium to her along with 15 of the 30 hydrocodone to her because she said she was only suppose to write the prescription for 15 hydrocodone. I brought her the Clonasapam along with 15 hydrocodone, all that my insurance company and I paid for and was given my Clonasapam prescription. 30 days later I go in for an appointment to see Dr. S Hutchinson and to make sure she would call in the correct prescriptions and amount this time, She told me she had already taken care of it. I had my wife pick up the prescriptions and again these were not the correct medications. I once again called Dr. S. Hutchinson and once again she asked me to bring her half the Hydrocodone and the bottle of clonazapam and she would release the correct prescription. I then asked Dr, Hutchinson what is being done with this medication, She told me that was none of my concern. I then said “what about he money I and my insurance is paying for your mistakes” at which time she replied “Either you want your correct prescriptions or not?” I then hung up the phone, I did not take her the prescription.. 1 week later I received a letter from Dr. S Hutchinson saying she would not longer be able to be my Doctor.

This whole thing seems strange and it makes me wonder how many people she is doing this with and what she is doing with all the medications...

What muscle relaxant are you returning? The Valium (diazepam) or the Klonipin (clonazepam)? Upon your asking her about the disposition of your meds, she should have simply quoted some program for dispensing of unused meds. It *is* your business; the meds, to the extent they were legally prescribed, are *your* property to use as prescribed.

I would get another physician to take over my pain management and *not* mention this to them. Regardless of your innocence, this could be made to come back and bite you.

You're correct in suspecting that this might come back to bite the patient especially with regard to pain managment no matter how innocent the patient is and they will have a bad time of it if they mention the incidents to a future doctor but with EMR's that might not suffient to stop that type of rumor from being acted upon by a subsequent physician.

The reason I think you're correct is that this scenario smells fishy.

The doctor behaved in the manner which many doctors do when they believe a patient of theirs to be an addict in that they requested that the patient bring to them the prescription bottles with the medication in them to the doctor's office for presentation (this is not the protocol for a screw-up by the authorizing physician). In addition, since the prescription bottles with the controlled substances are no longer in the possession of the patient the patient no long has the evidence to show that they are not the ones consuming or selling the controlled substances themselves.

Since what the doc demanded is the same as those who believe their patient to be a prescription drug abuser and they did this not once but twice to the patient, I suspect that the patient has been set up and that the doctors records may well contained claims that the patient is a prescription drug abuser and that the prescription bottles which now probably no longer contain any of the controlled substances are being kept by the physician to back up their claim that it is the patient which is behaving illegally not they, the physician, themselves should the doc come under investigation.

Time to get a copy of that doc's records. This should be done before anything is said to the oversight authorities and a detailed written complaint against this doctor should be filed with the patient's insurer before filing a complaint with the oversight agency as well with a request for adjustment of charges (insurers understand people being pissed about money more than anything else because that's their mentality). The patient should have a chat with their pharmacist about should properly have been done about the handling of the messed-up prescriptions and what to do if this should ever occur again. As I said, this could be a set-up by the doc. This patient needs to be very careful in how they proceed.

Most doc's are decent people but, they, like everyone else is human and prone to the same things all other human beings are. Having a license to practice medicine doesn't not make them immune but it does make them more credible to most people, especially oversight agencies.

Hi Jane, The PA is a

Hi Jane, The PA is a Stanford girl-- Heaven help Greg! I wonder if the PA is "just the messenger" and we're shooting the wrong person, so to speak.

JaneQPatient

JaneQPatient wrote:
MicOnTheNorthShore wrote:

I would get another physician to take over my pain management and *not* mention this to them. Regardless of your innocence, this could be made to come back and bite you.

...... The reason I think you're correct is that this scenario smells fishy. ...... In addition, since the prescription bottles with the controlled substances are no longer in the possession of the patient the patient no long has the evidence to show that they are not the ones consuming or selling the controlled substances themselves. ...... they did this not once but twice to the patient, I suspect that the patient has been set up ...... Time to get a copy of that doc's records. ......

Jane, I agree completely. He also needs a copy of the pharmacy records. The prescriber has made one huge mistake, though. After requesting the first lot of hydrocodone back, she wrote a subsequent prescription. That's not the thing to do if one is going to make a case for their patient being an addict. In working in patient advocacy, I've seen this sort of thing before, and most patients caught in such circumstances who complain or raise the issue with authorities find themselves facing a slew of re-written records and surprising "evidence". One's pharmacist can often be a good advocate for the patient.

Maybe the doc got perturbed at the patient "not catching on" to a "good thing".

Mic

Mairen wrote: Hi Jane, The

Mairen wrote:

Hi Jane, The PA is a Stanford girl-- Heaven help Greg! I wonder if the PA is "just the messenger" and we're shooting the wrong person, so to speak.

Yeah, heaven help him.

The PA may not be the ultimate culprit here but even if that is the case a person in that position can reasonably assumed to be aware of what is proper conduct and what isn't and should not be engaging in the aiding and abetting. While I fully understand doing what you have to do to keep your job and not blowing the whistle for damned if you'll get another decent paying job in your lifetime but I can't excuse the behavior either.

If the PA's clean (so to speak) then the PA will already be looking for employment elsewhere chalking the move up to a "personality conflict" in order not to "blow the whistle". Greg can find that out by calling the office from time to time to see if the PA is still employed there. The longer they remain the likelihood that they are dirty. Being a "stanford girl" she should be able to get her but out of there more quickly than others - if she wants to.

patienthealthadvocate

patienthealthadvocate wrote:

Although I cannot verify or assess whether or not the physician was obtaining your incorrect meds for personal use, I can offer the following advice:

1) Check the AZ Medical Board website for any board actions against this practitioner at www.azmd.gov.
2) When an incorrect dosage or medication is filled, the pharmacy cannot take back the medication. However, the dispensing physician should be notified and the correct prescription should be called into the pharmacy. The pharmacy can verify w/the physician that the incorrect dosage or med was filled and may reverse the original claim for the incorrect med dispensed and then re-bill the claim with the correct medication (since it was not your error). That would take care of you having to pay twice for the prescription. I agree with you not to return any medication to the physician, it should always be discarded and the practitioner should have provided you with an honest answer as to what would be done with the incorrect/returned medication.
3) The physician you are discussing is not a doctor, but a physicians assistant (PA). If you did not receive satisfactory response from her, your next step would be to contact her supervisor (Dr. Bloomquist) and discuss the situation.
4) If you still are not satisfied, you have the right to file a complaint with the AZ Medical Board (www.azmd.gov) who investigates all claims.
5) This situation proves to be dangerous for all concerned due to the fact that the PA continued to make mistakes on prescribing your medications and you the patient could have not only the wrong medication but also too much.
6) If you continue to use this provider/health center, I recommend that you obtain a new doctor and ensure that it is one that you can trust and treats you with respect.
I hope this helps.

I had to be the one to say this but the Az Medical Board is a known circus of Fraud and there is large groups trying to make honest changes. Many physicians have been brutalized, and many hacks have been set free.

anonymous758 wrote: I had to

anonymous758 wrote:

I had to be the one to say this but the Az Medical Board is a known circus of Fraud and there is large groups trying to make honest changes. Many physicians have been brutalized, and many hacks have been set free.

BOMEX dealt with Fernando Casses rather directly, telling him to surrender his license before they proceeded against him without complaint (http://php.ratemds.com/social/?q=node/38892).

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