Fentanyl patch keeps dumping meds in me too fast

Fentanyl patch keeps dumping meds in me too fast. The last 2 patches (1 last night and 1 this early afternoon)

Seem to be dumping the meds way too fast, I'm getting all the signs of overdosing and have had to take patches off because of the nausia, light headedness eyes won't focus right and sometimes cross, hands are shakey...
I took it off about a half hour ago but it's not calming down yet... ant advice to help get this out of my system.

Teri

Hi, Teri. I don't know what

Hi, Teri.

I don't know what you can do, but do you think that your pharmacist may be able to help you? Sometimes they can be a great source for this type of information.

I hope you get over the effects soon.

Sherry

Thanks Sherry, he's not in

Thanks Sherry,

he's not in on weekends. they always tell you to go to ER, don't want to if there is a way to calm it down myself.
I'm starting the dreaded hot flashes and I think this is the cause,, gets scarey though.

These patches have had two

These patches have had two recalls within two weeks of recent!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23131945/

Did you try this: Anyone who

Did you try this:

Anyone who comes in contact with fentanyl gel should thoroughly rinse exposed skin with large amounts of water only; do not use soap.

Don't want to add to problems, but were you aware that some of these patches have been recently recalled?

Sherry

Product of USA wrote:These

Product of USA wrote:

These patches have had two recalls within two weeks of recent!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23131945/

"The recalled patches were also sold in Canada under the Duragesic brand by Janssen-Ortho Inc. and generically by Ranbaxy Laboratories Ltd."

abusedemotionally wrote:Did

abusedemotionally wrote:

Did you try this:

Anyone who comes in contact with fentanyl gel should thoroughly rinse exposed skin with large amounts of water only; do not use soap.

Don't want to add to problems, but were you aware that some of these patches have been recently recalled?

Sherry

where do i find out about that, thats 2 patches in a row... you can see the gel in the patch and after only about 10 or 12 hrs the thing was almost completely empty and it's supposed to last 3 days.

http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firm

Another source

Terri, I certainly don't

Terri, I certainly don't want to scare you, but you are scaring me! Please, if you are having a real bad reaction from these, go and seek medical attention.

I just looked 2 of my boxes

I just looked 2 of my boxes are on the list trying to contact someone now

TeriCanDoIt wrote:I just

TeriCanDoIt wrote:

I just looked 2 of my boxes are on the list trying to contact someone now

The posion control centers are open 24-7 and will tell you exactly what to do. Their trained for that.

Please, get the help you

Please, get the help you need, then when you are able let us know how you made out.

Good luck . . .

Sherry

That sounds awful!! I'm glad

That sounds awful!! I'm glad to hear you are seeking help and information. Positive vibes and /or prayers for you, whichever you prefer. Hope all ends well and you feel better soon. petal

Teri, if there's a

Teri, if there's a manufacturing defect, which there seems to be with this batch, a lot of the drug can be released in a short time instead of the way it's supposed to be - small amounts gradually over a long time. This is the same reason why the patches should not be cut; large amounts can be released at once. If you are indeed getting an overdose, every emergency room has a narcotic antidote to reverse the potentially dangerous effects of the drug. I suggest that someone else drive you.

Twain wrote:Teri, if there's

Twain wrote:

Teri, if there's a manufacturing defect, which there seems to be with this batch, a lot of the drug can be released in a short time instead of the way it's supposed to be - small amounts gradually over a long time. This is the same reason why the patches should not be cut; large amounts can be released at once. If you are indeed getting an overdose, every emergency room has a narcotic antidote to reverse the potentially dangerous effects of the drug. I suggest that someone else drive you.

Twain, Terri got off the computer shortly after she found out that her patches were in the bad batch, and I'm pretty sure that she was getting help. I hope she didn't drive, too.

Teri, I just saw this. I

Teri, I just saw this. I think I read somewhere on here that there is a defect with those patches. Check in with us so we know you are ok. I'm thinking of you.

EDIT: Teri, I know you get your own news, but I'm posting this for you anyway.

http://www.9news.com/money/consumer/article.aspx?storyid=86625

BOY did that suck... I was

BOY did that suck... I was vomiting all night, Dr is writing me new meds today to replace the bad ones.. Scared to death to put one back on so I used one of my old ones with less mg's in them..
THANKS Everyone that warned me of the recall, it could have been much worse.. Thank GOD I'm really aware and in tune with the pain meds and know when something is wrong, I took that thing off , they said, in time to stop the lethal dose, anymore and I couldn't have handled it.
That stuff is in your system along time I didn't realize how long it took to go through your system being a patch..

And thanks Naly, I didn't get my own info on this one, you guys saved my butt this time, never stop the advice , I always listen... Smiling

Teri

TeriCanDoIt wrote:BOY did

TeriCanDoIt wrote:

BOY did that suck... I was vomiting all night, Dr is writing me new meds today to replace the bad ones.. Scared to death to put one back on so I used one of my old ones with less mg's in them..
THANKS Everyone that warned me of the recall, it could have been much worse.. Thank GOD I'm really aware and in tune with the pain meds and know when something is wrong, I took that thing off , they said, in time to stop the lethal dose, anymore and I couldn't have handled it.
That stuff is in your system along time I didn't realize how long it took to go through your system being a patch..

And thanks Naly, I didn't get my own info on this one, you guys saved my butt this time, never stop the advice , I always listen... Smiling

Teri

Terri, I am so glad that you wrote us! I was very concerned about you. Thankfully you listened to yourself and to us!

Sherry

Thanks for signing on Teri.

Thanks for signing on Teri. Smiling Hope you are feeling better today. Laughing out loud

Still not up to snuff but

Still not up to snuff but alot better, really bad headache, so won't be on too much longer.

Hi Teri, Glad to hear you're

Hi Teri, Glad to hear you're feeling better. What did the ER doc do for you? Did they reverse the Fentanyl with Narcan or what??

Pam

Teri, I was on durgesic

Teri,
I was on durgesic (fentenyl) patches for 5 years. I was up to 150 mgs. You know by who. DON'T CHANGE PATCHES EVERYDAY. They are to be left on for three days. They work if used right. Who ever told you to change everyday is wrong. The problem with them is that they are highly addictive. I got used to them and felt no releif so morphine was added then methadone. I have a high tolerance for pain meds now or they just make me cramp up 4 about 10 mins. I'm thinking of you. My war is at a stand still. Some people don't know theres one coming....lol.
SENDING HUGS YR WAY, pain

My neighbor fell off a

My neighbor fell off a scaffold about 15 years ago and has had many surgeries on his back.....which all only made his pain worse. He landed on his sacroiliac, and had compression fractures of his spine. He now has an implanted drug dispenser in his abdomen. He has to go to his pain management doctor ever once in a while and they refill it with a needle into a port. In addition, when the pain still gets bad, he has fentanyl lollipops. I see him out in the yard all the time with a lollipop stick between his lips.

One must be careful using

One must be careful using those.I knew this nurse here that took care of dying patients,after they died she kept all their meds for herself. She had a bunch of boxes full of those patches,she kept in the fridge. She got mad at her hubby for selling them. Shocked

pain4thelady wrote:Teri, I

pain4thelady wrote:

Teri,
I was on durgesic (fentenyl) patches for 5 years. I was up to 150 mgs. You know by who. DON'T CHANGE PATCHES EVERYDAY. They are to be left on for three days. They work if used right. Who ever told you to change everyday is wrong. The problem with them is that they are highly addictive. I got used to them and felt no releif so morphine was added then methadone. I have a high tolerance for pain meds now or they just make me cramp up 4 about 10 mins. I'm thinking of you. My war is at a stand still. Some people don't know theres one coming....lol.
SENDING HUGS YR WAY, pain

I don't change everyday i change at about every 2 1/2 days overlapping about 4 to 6 hrs. My doses were just changed and the first patch of the new dose is the one that was on the recall. I'm very careful and in tune with the way i feel on the patches, they still scare me a bit because of the strength of the fentanyl. Thats why i waited 2 yrs to increase my dose when they wanted me to go up about 8 or 10 months ago. I kept fighting to stay on the same dose but my use of break through meds were getting to high and that scared me to.. I hate having to be so dependant on a med to function everyday, but i cant seem to get the pain a a workable level cause they scare me so much.. I refuse oxycontin been there done that and cold turkey'd twice, i hated waking in the morning shaking to find a pill. At least with the patch i go for days at a comfortable dose. All these pain meds for chronic pain SUCK just waiting as everyone else for that magic pill to come out.

Teri

Msdoodle wrote:One must be

Msdoodle wrote:

One must be careful using those.I knew this nurse here that took care of dying patients,after they died she kept all their meds for herself. She had a bunch of boxes full of those patches,she kept in the fridge. She got mad at her hubby for selling them. Shocked

I would be horrified letting or giving one of these patches to someone thats not perscribed to them... i could never live with myself if god forbid they were to OD on them and it would be my fault if they died or something horrible like that

Teri

I know Teri,quite scary

I know Teri,quite scary really. The guy worked with my hubby,and his wife is head over her department.She said they were suppose to dispose the leftover medications.I'm not sure how their suppose to be disposed of,but surely not in the refrigerator. She offered hubby one for his back,and I said NO. They were not prescribed for him. I guess some people don't think of the horrible things that could happen.

Teri, This is for U!!!

Msdoodle wrote:One must be

Msdoodle wrote:

One must be careful using those.I knew this nurse here that took care of dying patients,after they died she kept all their meds for herself. She had a bunch of boxes full of those patches,she kept in the fridge. She got mad at her hubby for selling them. Shocked

This is disgusting. Talk about a lack of respect for the dead and dying. Unfortunately, this is not an uncommon occurence. I have actually heard much worse stories; I heard of one nurse who used to work in the recovery room of a major Toronto hospital and she would remove the opioid from the PCA (patient controlled analgesia) pump and keep it for herself to feed her raging narcotic addiction. How vicious is that? Can you imagine waking up from surgery with post-op pain , pressing your PCA pain for pain relief and getting a saline injection instead of pain medication?!!

In my eyes, these kind of behavior is a crime against humanity, whether it be as heinous as this or as simple as forging a doctor's signature on a prescription pad. This result is the same, it causes doctors to be much more hesitant in prescribing MUCH NEEDED pain relief for those who are suffering. Of course, those who are addicted will always find a way to get their drug of choice. To add insult to injury, the police and pharmacists can't care less about this kind of problem; they simply refuse to follow up when a doctor reports a patient forging his signature on prescriptions. Alternatively, you'll get some kind of anemic response such as "We'll look into this, doctor." My rant for the day.

Chris.

chrisaldridge wrote:...My

chrisaldridge wrote:

...My rant for the day.

Chris.

I thought you might like this blog: http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/
The Angriest Pharmacist is also good.
Another doctor who posts here INfrequently passed this on a while ago. I've had it bookmarked ever since and it's quite entertaining in a disturbing way.

Hi Chris,welcome to the

Hi Chris,welcome to the forum.I must say I'm in total agreement with you. It certainly is sad indeed especially when doctors are scared to give out pain meds because of the ones that abuse them,and use them for profit. I think it's sad too that one would have to suffer through pain,with all the available medications for it. http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/02/22/0222doctors.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=52 I also think it is sad for the doctor because maybe some of them are blindsided. The doc in the article will now have to suffer the consquences. All his patients will be suffering too.

Teri, Did you know who

Teri,
Did you know who started you on the patches? I didn't read the top part about them being defective, i'm sorry, didn't mean to offend you. He had me up to 150. thats 2 patches then all the other crap. I also have a question for you. My medical dr, sent me to another ortho dr. he told me that there was a 99% chance of NO OTHER DOCTOR willing to fix my shoulders. my mri's came back horrible. How did you find another dr.? i'm thinking of the swedish hospital. Right now i take morphine & methadone, still doesn't help. I have patches left and are thinking of putting them on, but this ortho says no even tho he's fighting with himself over helping me. Damn, we're a sight Eye-wink , i've had alot in my life but never anything like this.....redoing shoulders maybe because my insurance was so good, then collasping lungs & almost death from shots. they were shocked my heart was still beating when i reached a hospital. thank God for the dr there that did my surgery right in the er. Mr dr. called 3 times while i was in icu to ask how my head & shoulders were when he knew what he had done. sound like anyone you know? my war isn't going well yet. i'd rather be back to a normal state, whatever that is. sometimes suicide comes to mind in a extreme and serious way. I don't know. but i really didn't mean anything like that you didn't know what you were doing, i just didn't read. please forgive me, i'm sorry.
LOTS OF HUGS & God Bless........A
P.S. Msdoodle HUGS AE COMING TO YOU ALSO, God Bless.............A

Thank you soooo much!!

Thank you soooo much!! Pain4thelady,please hang in there. Your still in my prayers!! Huge hugs back. Smiling http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=180818181 3rd song. You are. Smiling

Dear pain4thelady, Could you

Dear pain4thelady,

Could you please post a link to your story?.......found somewhere here on the forum? I can't remember specifics.

Pam

Daenerys wrote:chrisaldridge

Daenerys wrote:
chrisaldridge wrote:

...My rant for the day.

Chris.

I thought you might like this blog: http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/
The Angriest Pharmacist is also good.
Another doctor who posts here INfrequently passed this on a while ago. I've had it bookmarked ever since and it's quite entertaining in a disturbing way.

Hi Daenerys,

Is that your name? If not, what does it mean? Anyways, that website is something else! Talk about not pulling any punches! I'm really surprised it's still up and running on the internet. The guy pretty much says every politically incorrect thing possible, in a very entertaing way of course. He's Mad! He's Angry! He's the angry pharmacist. He's got a good point about people always "losing" their valium or percocet but never their blood pressure medication. These medications seem to have a magnetic attraction to the bus, sink and toilet; funny how that is.

Cheers,

Chris.

chrisaldridge wrote:... Hi

chrisaldridge wrote:

...
Hi Daenerys,

Is that your name? If not, what does it mean? ...

Cheers,

Chris.

Daenerys Targaryen (Stormborn) is a character in George R.R. Martin's 'Song of Fire and Ice' series-of which there are four books, and he is abysmally late with the fifth.

Yes, sometimes reading the Angry Pharmacist *does* make me squirm.

chrisaldridge wrote: He's

chrisaldridge wrote:

He's got a good point about people always "losing" their valium or percocet but never their blood pressure medication. These medications seem to have a magnetic attraction to the bus, sink and toilet; funny how that is. Ceers,
Chris.

Know what happens to me Chris?

Good call Chris: I have two neighbors across the street who have needs. One is the one I have talked about with the compression spine injury and the implanted pain med dispensor and Fentanyl lollipops, and the other has a shoulder injury that he takes huge doses of pain meds every day for. Both of them know that I usually have a bottle of hydrocodone hidden away somewhere. My little bottle of maybe 30 pills will generally last me six or eight months. But.........the guys across the street will invariably come over appearing to be in excruciating pain and telling me that they ran out before their refill was due, or their doctor was out of town and they will be getting their refill day after tomorrow, so could they please just borrow maybe 5 or 6??? Well, maybe all I have left is 8. Then they don't pay me back, and next time I go to the doc, I can't explain how they disappeared?! Sometimes they try to pay me back with something else like Xanax?? What do I want with some Xanax? I have sort of learned a lesson. Now I just tell them that I don't have anything. But it's hard to do because they appear to be in so much pain, but I'm feeling really used, not to mention that my doctor starts to think that I may be having a problem.j

Anyone else have this experience?

Pam

heartthrob wrote:... Anyone

heartthrob wrote:

...
Anyone else have this experience?

Pam

Not really but I don't have any pain medication except for the full bottle of aleve that my old doc prescribed for me *when I had an ulcer* and now the HUGE bottle of Tylenol 3 that I had to go running back to get because my husband told me I should get the prescription even if I'm not going to use them. It's funny-when I saw the pharmacist bring this huge bottle full of huge pills, I had to ask what the shelf life was!! Laughing out loud

Pam, I hope you don't give them anymore, for your sake. One day, you may need to take those pills and you won't be able to get any if the doc thinks you're a drug seeker. Sad

Daenerys wrote: Pam, I hope

Daenerys wrote:

Pam, I hope you don't give them anymore, for your sake. One day, you may need to take those pills and you won't be able to get any if the doc thinks you're a drug seeker. Sad

Exactly Daenerys. I would hate for him to think that. As you, I used to rely on Aleve (Naproxin) for my back pain..........and it used to work very well. Problem is, since my disaster at Hopkins and prosthetic valve, I take coumadin every day and that is contraindicated with coumadin. I just have to keep telling them that I don't have anything, no matter how pathetic, or how they crawl across my yard Sad

I really ration those pills and only take them if the pain gets excruciating. I actually think perhaps I should take them more often and might be better off to do so. The back pain keeps me from functioning in a normal fashion. It keeps me from doing the things that I have always done. I think becoming sedentary because of the pain is perhaps worse in the long run.

pam

OH MY GOD... I just wrote a

OH MY GOD... I just wrote a novel to you and somehow lost it before I posted it.. is there anyway to recover it??

Teri, Did you read what I

Teri,
Did you read what I wrote to you. I am so sorry 4 not reading the other threads. I was not assuming you didn't know what you were doing. the only part I read & it scared me, was you were getting to much in yr system & I Honestly thought the Dr. didn't tell you how to properly use them. PLEASE forgive me, I am TRUELY sorry. I was just worried about you.
A

My doctor prescribed the

My doctor prescribed the fentanyl patch for back pain. I was constantly nauseated and throwing up constantly. When I'd tell him my stomach was really upset and all the symptoms, he would tell me I couldn't just go off cold turkey. He, of course, wouldn't help me wean off of them, so I went off cold turkey and for about 4 days was very sick as if I had a bad flu. The only side effects after that was restless legs several times a week, and this is a year later. Since the fentanyl I have had to have major abdominal surgery from numerous ulcers which caused strictures of the stomach. Of course the doctors won't take responsibility and say the opiates caused it, but if you're on this stuff I suggest getting off asap. While on the patch I also had kidney stones twice, severe long lasting bladder infections, weight gain and loss without a whole lot of relief. I think the side effects far outweigh the benefit to this drug.

isn't these patches to be

isn't these patches to be add it every 24hrs whats your dose use i know they start at 25 mil and up, how long you been on it cause if you cut off fast it can give you withdraws very bad,

MisFit wrote: isn't these

MisFit wrote:

isn't these patches to be add it every 24hrs whats your dose use i know they start at 25 mil and up, how long you been on it cause if you cut off fast it can give you withdraws very bad,

These patches ae supposed to stay on 72 hours, not 24 hours.
They now come in a 12.5 mg dose.

There is a family that lives

There is a family that lives in the same neighborhood (mom two kids that are old enough to be on their own!) who gets all kinds of pain medications, uppers, downers, God knows what else and any time that I see either or all of them they are stoned beyond and then some!!! If one of them could rip off a prescription pad from a doctor they would have a field day. I get scared if my medications are not working properly and I discuss that with my rheumatologist.

cheers

I did a quick read of a

I did a quick read of a couple of paragraphs of "The Angry Pharmacist" and I enjoyed what I read so far!

cheers

Twain wrote: MisFit

Twain wrote:
MisFit wrote:

isn't these patches to be add it every 24hrs whats your dose use i know they start at 25 mil and up, how long you been on it cause if you cut off fast it can give you withdraws very bad,

These patches ae supposed to stay on 72 hours, not 24 hours.
They now come in a 12.5 mg dose.

awww thank you never new that, my bad well taking them of isn't that bad for you, the withdraws must be

crazycatlady wrote: There

crazycatlady wrote:

There is a family that lives in the same neighborhood (mom two kids that are old enough to be on their own!) who gets all kinds of pain medications, uppers, downers, God knows what else and any time that I see either or all of them they are stoned beyond and then some!!! If one of them could rip off a prescription pad from a doctor they would have a field day. I get scared if my medications are not working properly and I discuss that with my rheumatologist.

cheers

and some of us who keep fighting to get a Doctor,

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